PicoVNA frequently asked questions

Will you be making a 75 Ω version of the PicoVNA 106?

There are no plans right now for a 75 Ω VNA. However, the PicoVNA 106 and software do support 75 Ω measurement, either:

  • mathematically using nominal Z0 impedance conversion
  • using a port impedance adaptor and a 75 Ω calibration kit

If you are working with 75 Ω systems you may already have a suitable port impedance adaptor and cal kit.

How do the TDR/TDT capabilities of the PicoScope 9311 compare with the network analysis capability of the PicoVNA 106?

Time domain network analysis and frequency domain network analysis are very similar measurements. The former applies a spectrum of discrete frequencies to the unknown network: a step or impulse incident waveform is applied and an oscilloscope or sampling head captures the reflected and transmitted waveforms. The latter applies a series of discrete frequencies and captures reflected and transmitted amplitude and phase using phase-sensitive (IQ) receivers.

The frequency domain VNA approach has better dynamic range because the applied power at each frequency can be constant and relatively high, and the receivers can have restricted noise bandwidth.

TDR/TDT can theoretically be quicker because a single step or impulse could give all necessary information. However, the high sampling-time resolution required by this method tends to call for a sequential sampling oscilloscope such as the PicoScope 9311. This captures only one sample point on each cycle of a step or impulse, so only repeating signals can be tested. Even so, our TDR or TDT solution is still slightly quicker than the VNA. See below regarding multiple forward, reverse, transmission and reflection measurements.

The PicoVNA 106 vector network analyzer and the Pico 9311 TDR/TDT Sampling Oscilloscope solutions are comparable on primary features and performance:

  1. In the context of cable or transmission line testing, time domain measurements have the advantage of directly showing impedance continuity v time (TDR) or actual pulse response (TDT). Assuming propagation velocity is reasonably well known, a direct interpretation or readout of impedance v distance is possible. Fortunately the PicoVNA 106 includes a time domain readout without extra cost, so both solutions can achieve the ideal readout.
     
  2. Where it is necessary to combine measurements with other system elements (measured or simulated) then scattering parameters, Smith charts etc. tend to be preferred.  While S-parameters and time domain measurements can be interrelated by an FFT, only the PicoVNA supports both output formats.
     
  3. The VNA is limited to 6 GHz, with a best effective time resolution of around 120 ps.  Assuming a line propagation velocity of 2c/3, this will resolve impedance v distance along your line to around 24 mm (with short/open fault location around five times better). The PicoScope 9311 fast step has a system transition time of around 60 ps, giving it roughly the same time (2 x 60 ps) and distance resolution.
     
  4. At its best time domain resolution, the PicoVNA 106 can test at 4096 k discrete sample points. This translates to maximum path length of around 100 m. At lower resolution, longer path lengths can be accommodated. The longest path length supported by the PicoScope 9311 is theoretically limited by the widest available pulse width of 4 µs, which translates to 400 m in a reflection measurement. In practice, however, at this length, resolution of a TDR measurement will be lost to high-frequency cable losses and a VNA may match or even outperform it.

    The larger differentiators between the two are:
     
  5. The VNA automatically sequences reflection and transmission measurements, and can do this in both directions through an unknown 2-port network. Greater speed and much-reduced manual intervention are significant benefits when more than a single port reflection or a single transmission measurement is required. Single-direction measurement is typically sufficient for transmission line measurements, but for devices with transmission losses or gain, bidirectional measurements are far more commonly needed and the automated VNA wins even more convincingly.
     
  6. In differential line applications the PicoScope 9311 is likely to win. It has differential deskewable step sources and its two channels can be used to receive either differential reflection or differential transmission. In the case of a differential line without a nearby ground, such as a twisted pair in free space, the PicoScope 9311 can determine differential impedance v distance from a single measurement setup. The differential test stimulus develops a virtual ground (or signal null) at the midpoint between the conductors. The VNA can only stimulate one conductor with respect to the other and cannot resolve differential impedance. It could, however, determine an impedance for a given core and how that changes with length, and could be used in comparison with a gold standard—for instance, both conductors separately measured, the other grounded— in this case.

    If we now consider the opposite extreme example of a differential line: the individually screened twinax pair. Here a ground surrounds and isolates the two lines of the differential pair. In this case, the two differential cores can each be measured separately as individual coaxial lines. Their differential impedance will be the sum of the individual impedances. The PicoScope 9311 and the VNA can both do this in a single measurement setup. The two ports of the VNA can be used to separately measure the two cores, but only one TD readout is permitted at a time.

    Of course a great many differential lines lie somewhere between these two extremes with varying degrees of ground and pair coupling. The usefulness and accuracy of the VNA measurement varies accordingly.

    Pico is uniquely positioned to support either solution and will be happy to support your decision making for a given application.

Are there any plans to provide alternative connector type test leads and calibration kits such as N-type, BNC, UHF, TNC, APC, F-type, PL259, SMB, MCX, MMCX?

Not at present, but we would be interested to know your requirements.

The SMA and PC3.5 connectors on the PicoVNA 106 make ideal relatively low-uncertainty ports from which to port-adapt both to the larger format and legacy interfaces and to the emerging smaller format and point-contact interfaces. In many cases, port adaptors can achieve sufficiently low measurement uncertainty for systems with connector types of poorer repeatability, and in other applications where performance is not limited by the connector.

Where measurement demands are high, you may be able to obtain port adaptors with either de-embed data or reference plane offset values; both these correction mechanisms being supported by the PicoVNA 106. In the absence of data, you can purchase a mating pair of port adapters such as PC3.5(f/m) to N(m) and PC3.5(f/m) to N(f). Mate the pair at the N-ports and measure them, then attribute half of the transmission parameters and an average of the reflection parameters to each. This is often how the manufacturer measures adaptors that are provided with data.

Ideally, the adapted ports would be calibrated with port-matching cal kits. These are available from a range of suppliers.

Likewise, within-series and adapting test leads are even more widely available than cal kits. However, it seems likely that emerging small-format connectors will demand a lighter-gauge, more flexible test lead or a flexible port adaptor. Please let us know if you have special requirements in this area.

Does the PicoVNA 106 support frequency offset?

No, it does not.

In most circumstances a vector network analyzer stimulates a device port in signal frequency steps and measures all the ports at the same frequency steps. However, there are applications where you need to measure at harmonics of the stimulus. There are also applications, around frequency mixer devices, where you need to measure at a frequency (the intermediate frequency, or IF) that is offset from the stimulus. This requires more hardware capability than is present in the PicoVNA 106 and thus is not supported.

The datasheet quotes a measurement speed of > 5000 points per second. Under what conditions (frequency range, number of points per sweep, IFBW) were those measurements taken?

From the specification we have:

  • 140 kHz bandwidth
  • 10 MHz to 6 GHz sweep
  • 201 points (12-term cal): 37 ms for full s2p result set. = 184 µs per point for forward AND reverse sweep.  > 5400 points/sec
  • 201 points (S21 cal): 25 ms for single S21 result set. = 124 µs per point for a forward sweep.  > 8000 points/sec

Be careful when comparing with competitors, as they tend only to quote figures for the single-point single sweep. That compares with our faster figure above and not with the slightly longer time for a forward and reverse sweep necessary for a full set of S-parameters. This product is amongst the faster units available. See the competitive comparison on the web site under the Reviews tab.

The sweep speed reduces according to bandwidth settings as the measurement at the output of bandwidth filter has to settle to its full accuracy.

If we first set a 10,001 pt sweep, the forward/reverse switch is proportionally less of an interruption and we can estimate its duration from the two trace lengths that we have.

At 140 kHz 170 us / pt for full s2p (two sweeps):

  • Forward / reverse switch implied at around 14 µs.

Testing at other bandwidths for 10k point sweeps:

  • At 10 kHz: 430 µs/pt for full s2p (two sweeps)
  • At 1 kHz: 3 ms/pt
  • At 100 Hz: 28.5 ms/pt
  • At 10 Hz: 285 ms/pt

What are P1dB and AM to PM conversion and what are these utilities used for?

Think of a modern communications protocol and the amplitude/phase constellation that it uses to represent data. For instance, here's a QAM constellation:

Each of these data codes is transmitted and received on an RF signal or carrier with an amplitude and a phase.

When we send such a signal through any amplifier, but particularly a transmitting power amplifier, distortions will lead to problems.

If the amplifier is operated towards its peak power capability, non-linearity, usually compression, will cause the long vectors in the diagram (above) to end up shorter than they should be, the shorter vectors less affected. The corners will move inwards. If the degree of compression is –1 dB compared with a fully linear amplifier, our vector length will be down around 10%.

The P1dB compression point

This is a single point on a curve, but it helps to understand the whole curve. Our P1dB utility plots this curve at a given frequency by sweeping the input power to the device:

If at the same point, or any other amplitude, the phase of the signal shifts, those constellation points will be affected. Generally again, the high-power ones will move around the circumference of a circle. When this phase shift is amplitude- (vector length) related we have phase modulation due to amplitude modulation or AM to PM conversion. The outer constellation points move around a circle, the inner ones less so and the constellation becomes twisted.

Clearly these amplifier distortions are important, and can be critical in any modulated RF system more advanced than Morse Code - even FM to a degree. If a data code is too far misplaced, it cannot be recognized and corruption occurs. Once an amplifier or any potentially nonlinear element has been characterized for these distortions, it will either be used within its limitations or, much more commonly now, the input will be predistorted to compensate the device. Why? To save battery life! We need to drive low-power amplifiers as far into compression as we possibly can. It is hard to imagine just how much work has been done in this area!

One further point. A great many comms signals hop around the carrier frequency, and the distortions in a device vary with frequency. That is why our P1dB utility can perform the measurement at up to 201 different frequencies in a sweep of frequency and power.

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